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some thoughts about "OK Boomer" from a GenX perspective 

honestly, given the reactions that the phrase "OK, Boomer" have been getting in the media, you'd think packs of teens have been systematically targeting elderly people for brutal street muggings or something. but, no... it's just a phrase, and a mild one at that. why is it so upsetting?

because it's not rebellious or confrontational, which are things older people are used to getting from younger people. it's straight-up *dismissive*. and it's not something we, GenX, the first-generation children of the Boomers, ever had the chance to express.

our rebellion was taken away, repackaged, and sold back to us when we were too young to know what it was for or why it could be powerful. we grew up feeling helpless and hopeless, trapped in a world where we had nothing meaningful to say and nothing useful to do because Doom was Nigh--the ozone layer, nuclear war, the Y2K bug, politicians that hated us sending us off to wars for blatant lies. Boomers got to have their Swinging 60s--we grew up under the specter of AIDS. we were isolated from each other, so we never realized that we weren't alone. and when we were finally able to get our own voice out into the popular culture, we spoke obliquely of isolation, depression, inward-turned knives.

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and when we did manage to rebel, it was seen as the usual childish rebellion against our parents. kids these days! it's a phase, we'll grow out of it and grow up to be just like the people who raised us.

but the kids these days... they have something magical: they have a voice, and the voice gives them power, and *they know it*.

their voices let them speak to each other about their world and the problems they see. it lets them look for solutions that aren't reliant on their parents or grandparents, not even for advice, not even for opinions. and make no mistake, they've noticed the *decade* of fucking "Millennials Ruined [X]" thinkpieces written by annoyed Boomers, the endless, relentless victim-blaming of slapping down the Kids These Days for the crappy situations they have to deal with and that they had nothing to do with creating.

this is Boomers reaping what they've sown. because this is Millenials saying "OK, Boomer... you've said your piece. we're aware of your opinion, we've heard your advice. now we're going to do *our own thing*. and you can keep talking all you want, but we're *doing* something. so why don't you have a nice big cup of sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up for a god damn change."

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it hurts because it's speaking truth to power. it hurts because Boomers have built a culture that looks to them as the wise ones, the gatekeepers, the elders with power, and the Kids These Days aren't playing the game right. it's not disrespectful or confrontational--it's a swerve, a dodge, taking a pass on the whole packaged cycle of obedience and rebellion.

and that's why it doesn't hurt their parents, us GenXers. I have to admit, if somebody said "OK Gloomer" (heeee) to me I'd have to shake my head, laugh a little, and say "yeah, you got me." we're used to being disregarded and silenced. we love you, our kids... but we know better than to try and take away your voice. even if we wanted to, we know we can't. we can give advice and support, and you can take it or leave it as you will. but you're the ones who are leading the charge to change the world right now. drive us to a brighter, better future, or drive us off a cliff... either way, we're proud of you.

OK, Millenials and Zoomers. you've got this. 💚

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re: some thoughts about "OK Boomer" from a GenX perspective 

@troodon heh, we're increasingly seeing the reaction to "ok Boomer" as being so troubling because it's a reminder of the mortality/ephemerality of their power and authority.

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@violet also true!

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@troodon so good, thank-you.

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@troodon This was glorious and true. An excellent summation of the catchphrase, thanks.

I can attest that Boomers are often very scared of being old. Mortality, sure. But they were a generation which valourized youth as a power totem, assumed they would always possess it, felt neoliberalism ordained it. I don’t see Millennials arrogantly assured of their judgment the way it was confirmed for Boomers. Desperation breeds trepidation.

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@troodon I agree except if we're pointed to a cliff, I would very much like to work together to change that thanks

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@troodon “okay GenXer.”
“Uh, *who*?”

Naw seriously, if we’re not being forgotten we’re dismissed as Millenials and, y’know, there are worse people to get confused with than our younger siblings/the kids we used to babysit.

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@Leucrotta @troodon According to my Netflix recommendations, I watch shows like I'm babysitting kids anyhow.

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@troodon Yeah man. And if someone criticizes us X, well, we've heard it all our lives, take a number, get in line.

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@troodon generations aren't real. People are born pretty much continuously. That said, Boomers probably the most distinguishable..

But even then, we shouldn't assume too much just because they fall into an age category..

I think this is struggle against the established and their media power, and thinkpieces/tanks.

Boomers being -apparently- more easily persuaded into this stuff is a thing to attempt to overcome. (insofar worth it)

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@jasper the "postwar baby boom" is a real thing that can be pointed to. and that bump in population caused a rippling-out of subsequent bumps, based solely on how many people were born around X year starting to have kids in Y decade, but it evens out fast, yes. but, well... somebody's been writing all those "Millennials Killed Breakfast" thinkpieces, and I'm pretty sure most of them fall into a similar age range. and as far as persuading them out of it... it might be possible, but it's hard enough to make contact with people in the conservative bubble, and when those people are grandparents who are convinced they've seen it all and know everything worth knowing... *shrugs*

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@troodon thank you gloomer

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@Absolutely_Blakely "Gloomer" is the *best* name for GenXers, yes. XD

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@troodon This is utterly spot-on. 🤝🙌👏👏👏

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@troodon

I truly feel for Gen X. They were defeated before they even got started.

The rampant consumerism of boomers, and their might makes right mentality depressed X. The GI generation taught X to suffer silently. Which is what X rebelled was able to rebel against, the being silent.

The youth movements of Gen X reflect this. Punk and Grunge, and the alternative comedy movement was cynical, sarcastic, ultimately stemming from a sense of helplessness.

Millennials are rejecting the consumerism, and acquiring the not being silent of X.

Thank you Gen X.

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@Agrippa seriously, I'm tearing up a little bit at this. yes, you got it, spot on. thank you for carrying the flame. :)

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@erosdiscordia @Agrippa @troodon

I have a different view on it.

But I like the take in this thread a lot.

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@thegibson
do tell :)

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@Agrippa

My belief about this phenomenon is something I can’t prove yet, but the meta around it looks very familiar in the lead up to another election year.

The point is not to dictate an outcome, it never is, it is simply to destabilize and erode trust in a society, which it is doing quite well.

It’s just another meme that has a far more dangerous potential than it appears to on the surface.

However, I do agree with the surface sentiment to a degree, I think this is just one simple iteration from Pepe.

A lot of people less saavy at this game than they think they are.

"OK Boomer" from a GenX perspective 

@thegibson @Agrippa @troodon I think Gen X was defeated at the Boomers' game, before X could get going with it. Boomers undermined what they saw as younger competition in the 80s.

It drove Gen X in a wide variety of other directions. "Apathy" is one, and it's the one that the Boomer-controlled mass media long emphasized about us.

But we should be known for quiet passion and patient resistance.

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@erosdiscordia @Agrippa @troodon

I’ve certainly not given up.

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@thegibson @Agrippa @troodon What are your thoughts on the whole thing?

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@erosdiscordia @Agrippa @troodon

I replied to Agrippa already, but here’s where I am with this:

My belief about this phenomenon is something I can’t prove yet, but the meta around it looks very familiar in the lead up to another election year.

The point is not to dictate an outcome, it never is, it is simply to destabilize and erode trust in a society, which it is doing quite well.

It’s just another meme that has a far more dangerous potential than it appears to on the surface.

However, I do agree with the surface sentiment to a degree, I think this is just one simple iteration from Pepe.

A lot of people are less saavy at this game than they think they are.

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@erosdiscordia @Agrippa @troodon

I know this can be construed as “of course you do”.

But I evaluate risk for a living, and this smells. I’m not often wrong fwiw.

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@thegibson @Agrippa @troodon Hmm, I hear you. Do you think it's propagated to get younger people to not listen to anything outside their cohort?

Right now I think the phrase is simply cathartic (a lot of trust was rightfully lost), but I see how it could set people down a hardened path.

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@erosdiscordia @Agrippa @troodon

I hope it is just cathartic.

But the more Balkanized walls we build in society, the easier focus groups are to manipulate.

It is key in representational governance to be able to find values that bind us.

This is not the only meme that exploits that simple weakness.

People are already on a hardened path. Everyone.

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@TheGibson this is why i've appreciated the occasional posts i've seen around that clarify that "ok boomer" isn't about literally all boomers

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@thegibson @erosdiscordia @Agrippa @troodon Lol.

This is literally the worst fucking take.

Or, to put it another way:-

OK Boomer.

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@dgold @Agrippa @erosdiscordia @troodon

Just gonna bookmark this one for later... just in the off chance I get to say I told you so. :)

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@TheGibson @dgold @Agrippa @erosdiscordia what would be your criteria for being able to say that? from what I understand, you're warning that the phrase may be used to... ah, as I write this I realize that I don't understand your warning. "destabilize and erode trust in a society" is very vague, and arguably (as I argued in my posts) the phrase "OK Boomer" is a *response* to such destabilization and erosion in the past and present, and I'm not sure how you'd measure damage done by that particular phrase. I'm also not sure what you mean by "this is just one simple iteration from Pepe"--do you mean that it is susceptible to being co-opted by the Alt Reich for one of their dogwhistle memes?

I'm mostly asking because you said you evaluate risk for a living and that you're not often wrong, and I'm curious what it is about this meme in particular that is making your spidey-sense tingle.

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@troodon @dgold @Agrippa @erosdiscordia

I do not yet have all the evidence I need to prove anything, but this particular vitality and emotionally loaded style of meme is the same type of idea floated to destabilize things.

It is death by a thousand cuts... by itself any one of these is not going to take down an entire society.

Like I said, I hope I’m wrong, but the goal of adversaries in this line of activity is to fan the flames and let the resulting heat do whatever damage it will, not to direct the damage so much.

It is no different than what we saw in 2016 legitimizing fash to be a part of the stage again, openly.

Except these two groups are based on generational differences, not political alignment.

A diagonal slice to the vertical slice made last time.

As I said, I hope I’m wrong, but it looks like part of a similar thing.

I don’t necessarily disagree with the sentiment, I just don’t trust the results of the compiled effect of memetics over the next year.

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@troodon @dgold @Agrippa @erosdiscordia

That said, my degree of engagement with social engineering makes me likely to execute selection bias with something like this as well.

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@TheGibson @dgold @Agrippa @erosdiscordia *nod* that's fair. and there's apparently been at least one instance of a millennial using "OK Boomer" to silence an older Native American activist--so yes, it can be weaponized in ugly ways, and probably will be. humans gonna human. >_________<

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I like this take at some level, but in the end, it's still putting your fellow human beings inside a box, and blaming everyone who fits the box.

First of all that's a shitty thing to do to your fellow human beings, and ultimately, yet another way to divide us and set us up against one another. @TheGibson
@erosdiscordia @Agrippa @troodon

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@Coffee @TheGibson @erosdiscordia @Agrippa you know, while I do generally understand and appreciate this perspective, it's kind of hard to take "the phrase 'OK Boomer' hurts the feelings of an entire generation" as a counterweight against, well, things like this. insider.com/millennials-gen-x-

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@Coffee @TheGibson @erosdiscordia @Agrippa okay, here's the thing: it's punching *up*, not punching *down*. it's an expression of frustration and anger from people being systematically oppressed, *without* being cruel, confrontational, or provocative. I'm honestly at a loss to see how "OK Boomer" is somehow this terrible world-shattering unity-breaking phrase when put up against, well... everything that has brought us to this point.

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@troodon @Coffee @erosdiscordia @Agrippa

By itself, it is not.

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@troodon I'm the oldest subsect of millennial (early-mid 1980s), and as a result, I tend to fit in more with the Gen X mindset since I grew up on the tail end of the AIDS epidemic that I feel I need to remind people was caused and exacerbated by boomer conservatives.

Reagan stripped funding for medical centers that provided care to AIDS victims much in the same way other conservatives are doing for abortion services today.

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@troodon But anyway, between that and the racialized War on Drugs, I never knew anything but isolation. I didn't have any means of self-agency or expression as my parents reinforced the social norms of ignorance/villification of anyone that was "different", including my own autism.

Whenever I spoke up about a problem I was having, I was cast aside or punished for it. So I stopped speaking up.

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@troodon I've only recently found my voice again, & I want to use it to help further the goals of the younger millennials and zoomers.

I -- *we* as a plural system were silenced, we were denied information about ourself, & we want to make sure that never happens to anyone ever again.

And that means helping the next generation build a world that *they* want, rather than one we or even our parents want them to have.

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@KitsuneAlicia yes, all this, thank you! I'm so sorry you went through that--fistbump of X-adjacent solidarity, and optimism for the kids building a better world while we watch. :)

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@troodon Thank you for writing this. 💜

I don’t know if you follow her, but Xeni has also been writing a lot about this on birdhellsite lately, and it’s been balm for the soul.

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@troodon thank you for writing this. I feel like I've read what so many gen X'ers I know have wanted to say for way too long.

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@troodon nicely summarises how I feel. Thanks.

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@troodon Thank you for this. Needed a vote of confidence this weekend, and you delivered. <3

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@troodon thanks for this thread! I couldn't read all the replies, but sometimes I think: Boomers are also the generation who took to the streets in 1968 and some of them still think that they are the only true rebels and there's no real social movement that came after them.

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@troodon I'm also genX and I was raised in an atmosphere of "nobody is doing anything revolutionary any more". just as you said! I had the feeling I was born too late to join a movement that demanded social change, and if we did a little something, our parents' generation would often arrogantly tell us how it's done right. how to protest. how to block.

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@troodon I realise I’m like a week late to this, but, in my defence, I was in hospital having smashed my patella.

Massive hugs to you, for all of this. i agree with almost every word.

One thing I’d add is that, time and time and time again, we Xers had the entire shit pulled out from under us by the latest nonsense the boomers were pulling. After which, obviously, they blamed us for not being smarter/more cynical/richer.

It makes me laugh, it really does, when I see some of the voices on fedi I associate with Boomers springing up to claim that these posts, and the Ok Boomer in general, is comparable to the nazi-meme scum.

The Boomers spent their entire existence taking, they took from their parents, they took from each other, they took everything from us. They built castles in the sky, and they can’t understand why we won’t look on them with “respect” and civility.

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@dgold yes yes yes. all this. thank you! *hughughug*

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@troodon Thank you

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@QueenMollyBones aw, thank *you*! :)

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@troodon thank you for sharing. esp as someone on the x millennial cusp i really dig this POV

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@troodon Well, damn. Well said.

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@troodon Excellently put.

The kids are more than alright.

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@erosdiscordia completely aside from everything to say I recognize your userpic and I just posted about that video yesterday! XD SAIL

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