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I'm distrohopping again. Any suggestions?

@slightlyflightyone @00dani I'll 2nd trying void. it's at least worth getting to know.

@Siphonay I have a license, so I very well may.

Tbh, the main reason I'm considering it is literally because I can. Cx

@slightlyflightyone I found out they gave a free license if you work in IT so I grabbed one, I use it in a VM at work for now, I’m really happy with it and I may transfer the license to my laptop I have at home

@Siphonay They gave me a free license just for taking a 200-level CS course, so they're p flexible on what constitutes a "developer". 🙂

@slightlyflightyone Fedora serves me very, very well but I want to try Guix one day

@charlag I dunno why I don't like the feel of Fedora, but I don't really mind CentOS or RHEL, so I'm guessing it just puts me in a weird mindset to use.

@slightlyflightyone it's basically beta version of RHEL with vanilla GNOME (in default spin) but I don't blame you

@charlag I hate using GNOME. I'm p sure that's related, but I still don't like it much with the KDE or Xfce spins.

I really think I just like the feel of the more stable release cycle on that platform, or else I like it more because it gets me in a more "professional work" headspace with RHEL installed.

@slightlyflightyone Manjaro is the best thing that happened to Arch.

Also I want to try FreeBSD in the future.

@marble I just dislike Arch. Cx

It's basically worse Gentoo. Every time I use it, all I can think is how much I would rather be using Gentoo. Cx

@uint8_t @marble I like the way Gentoo works better, for one.

But I also have had far more stability issues with Arch. I've never had a package manager-based upgrade render a previously-stable Gentoo install unbootable and need to go in with a boot disk to fix it manually. I have dealt with that multiple times in Arch.

Mostly, tho, building my own packages gives me a lot of control over my system I feel like I'm missing with Arch.

@slightlyflightyone even with Arch you can use PKGBUILDs to compile all your packages if that's what you're into.
For me USE flags are the best things in gentoo, and I miss that but compiling everything takes a lot of time and energy, so I switched to Arch sometime in 2014 (and that's the install I'm still using, never bricked itself)

@uint8_t well, sounds like you have had an entirely different experience with Arch than me. Probably because we don't use the exact same hardware the exact same way for the exact same things. 😊

Also, yeah, my USE flags are basically a necessary aspect of life. 😭😭😭😭

@slightlyflightyone my setup is a boring X220 with no added cursedness, so that is very helpful

@uint8_t I tend to run "exciting" file systems and that caused lot of problems with Arch whenever I ran pacman iirc.

Between that (I think it was ZFS at the time), mdadm, and dm-crypt, every kernel upgrade was a huge pain and basically always lead to me needing to get out a boot disk to repair the initramfs.

After a few times of this, I just installed Gentoo instead of repairing Arch.

@uint8_t it's crazy how stable arch is despite what everyone says. My install dates back to 2016, and despite all the cursed stuff I did to it (even converted it to artix at one point), it's still rolling (hehe ^^)

@aearil we have like 6 arch installs in active use and hardly any problems with them

(other than sometimes being annoyed by the frequent updates and the need to reboot for the new kernel modules; that's an awful behavior when you forgot that you updated and wonder, why newly attached $hardware Does Not Work At All. then you peek into dmesg and slap your forehead, promising once more to reboot after every kernel update)

@uint8_t I cannot count the number of time I tried to lauch something on the discrete GPU, only for it to fail because I had forgotten to reboot since the last kernel/nvidia update...

@txt_file @aearil it's this: github.com/liske/needrestart
there is an AUR package of it too under the same name. I haven't tried it.

@uint8_t I have it installed on nearly all the systems I control.

@uint8_t @aearil install aur/kernel-modules-hook and never lose modules after updating again

@migratory @uint8_t @aearil ohh does it work well? I'm sick of USB not working after kernel updates..

@aearil @uint8_t My experience is that Arches are _very_ tricky to set up, but once up, they tend to stay that way.

@koz_ross @uint8_t Sounds about right. Also "very tricky" might apply to the version of you that installed it all those years ago, but since there is no need for a need install, that's the impression that sticks ^^

@koz_ross @aearil Arch any% speedrun, no amiibo, no archwiki, no man
boss: bootable KDE Plasma

@uint8_t @koz_ross I feel like I could manage the any% run (though the devil is in the details): pacstrap, arch-chroot, grub-mkconfig, grub-install and you're done right ?

@aearil there is a shortcut:
by doing the right combo in EFISTUB you can skip the GRUB level altogether

@txt_file I change all the time. Usually because I'm bored of what I got and I like the install process and configuration and stuffs. 😊

@slightlyflightyone i just switched to the x86_64/musl branch of void linux; it needs more setup than ubuntu, but it's rapidly winning me over

not least because i've not yet had it grind to a complete halt - or even appreciably slow down! -when using firefox (on this 4GB machine with no swap), unlike debian / ubuntu / anything else glibc-based, which would do so at least once a day

@slightlyflightyone ah, i don't know how much setup or otherwise gentoo requires relative to void

also i should have been clearer that i was just using ubuntu as a reference point, rather than assuming anything about what you were using or where you wanted to go. sorry.

@thamesynne Gentoo requires more manual set up. I think that's true of anything short of LFS.

@thamesynne Gentoo's kinda like Arch in that you use the partitioning tools yourself and bootstrap a system using a package manager.

You just compile the kernel from source and stuff too, so it's a little more involved.

@slightlyflightyone ah, now i remember! i've heard about gentoo, but always looked at the requirement to compile stuff oneself, looked at the hardware i had available, and went "...you know what? slackware's fine" (which shows how long ago it was)

also, i haven't compiled my own kernel since the 2.4 series. that got old fast, i have to admit

anyway... so it's safe to say that void linux requires much less setting up (and patience) than that!

@thamesynne Slackware was my first distro for basically that same reason. I get it. Cx

@thamesynne I appreciate that context. I just wasn't sure if you were assuming I had very little experience with different distros. 😊

@slightlyflightyone Since it hasn't been mentioned (at least not what I can see from over here) I'll say it: Alpine is nice.

@alva I think it's reasonably important someone mentions Alpine. Cx

@slightlyflightyone it is Good Stuff [tm]. I basically was distro hopping quite a lot but stopped at NixOS - can be sunk cost fallacy as well, but hey ;)
The thing I liked the most is that if you change something and now things don't work you can literally boot into the older version of the whole system...!!! Other stuff is good as well :) Let me know if you'd have any questions :)

@slightlyflightyone ah yes the age old question, ive been fiddling with #!++ and its basically just debian but pretty and debloated
@slightlyflightyone i also like esoteric distros and operating systems, try out plan9k sometime when you get a chance

@SamanthaCayne I feel like I have used Plan 9 before, but never for, like, actual work. Just trying it out. x:

Is that the kinda OS I actually could do the normal AV work I do in Linux? 🤔

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