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Anybody else notice how Microsoft keeps digging its claws into Linux? I’m getting “embrace, extend, and extinguish” flashbacks from the early 2000’s.

Anyway, time for Microsoft Linux to buy out Canonical and SUSE and break standards so everyone has to conform to their junk, ig.

For context, Microsoft has now announced that Microsoft Edge and Microsoft Defender will be released on Linux. This announcement comes following Microsoft’s acquisition of free software hosting platform GitHub and their release of Microsoft’s PowerShell command line for Linux.

Not to mention Microsoft’s inclusion of Windows Subsystem for Linux in Windows 10, which is literally an installation of Canonicle’s Ubuntu Linux that runs on top of Windows.

Feels a lot like they are trying to muscle into Linux and get control of future development to me.

Also, friendly reminder that IBM owns Red Hat Enterprise Linux and, by extension, Fedora now.

Can’t wait for free software to lose its anarchist-friendly bent. /s

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@slightlyflightyone we still got debian

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@frickhaditcoming We still got the distros, but I’m worried about them having control of, say, the direction of kernel and system software development.

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@slightlyflightyone how wild would it be if debian brings back hurd after the death of linux? but yeah youre right

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@slightlyflightyone they'll probably discontinue windows 10 at some point

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@AdalwinAmillion @slightlyflightyone Oh, for sure, but they'll only do it after going the same route as Mac and Android by integrating Linux's base into it so that they no longer actually have to develop anything other than what they need to break functionality with Linux native stuff.

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@AdalwinAmillion @slightlyflightyone Hell, Microsoft is already guiding GPL towards accepting more and more commercial uses, so look forward to GPL v4 where they can take it all, not publish their modifications, and profit indefinitely without ever giving a dime to the Linux devs for it.

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@KitsuneAlicia @AdalwinAmillion Free Software Foundation, brought to you by Microsoft.

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@slightlyflightyone I share your sense of nervousness but hope that the strength of open licenses keeps software-freedom in the Linux world strong.

Because of Azure, Linux is arguably a more important part of MS business than Windows now so they're going to be in for the long haul.

As you say, it's somewhat uncertain the direction the kernel might go in the future. Will be a tough job for the maintainers to balance everything asked of them I think.

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@kezzbracey I suspect Linux for workstations/desktop users will be the only thing particularly harmed by whatever choices they make.

Alternatively, they may introduce more of their “monetization functionality” into things. :e

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@slightlyflightyone "Monetization" is just the worst word isn't it.

My biggest concern on a personal level is just wanting to retain my confidence that when I boot into Linux I can relax, nobody is tracking what I'm doing in my own space. Because of the compulsory telemetry, using Windows feels like being out in a public shopping space, and I don't want to lose the ability to "go home".

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@kezzbracey I agree completely.

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@slightlyflightyone

So basically Pengwin, which is already a paid-for thing on the windows store.

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@jospanner Not exactly, no.

I’m more worried about Microsoft using growing control over free software to affect the direction of development.

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@slightlyflightyone Microsoft is giving up on the windows desktop. Seriously. Selling software is a stupid model. They're moving towards services.

The money making model (from their perspective) is a subscription cloud desktop. They were never able to make a sever OS that could keep any uptime, so they're just going to drop Windows as an OS all together.

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@Hex That’s an interesting perspective.

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@slightlyflightyone "Linux is a cancer." --Steve Ballmer

Fuck Steve Ballmer.

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@slightlyflightyone My hope is that one day, Windows will somehow itself become a Linux distribution.

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@sean My hope is that Microsoft will die and its CEOs (past and present) executed in the public square.

We cann all have our dreams. c:

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@slightlyflightyone Yeah, I hear you. I just think it would be poetic if the entire company were somehow transformed by the thing it's trying to co-opt, and it backfires so hard that they can't untangle themselves from it.

And then have to fund open source development left and right. 😛

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@sean And then we execute them in the public square?

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@sean @slightlyflightyone It's not completely impossible. I've begrudgingly accepted they're making the best open source code editor for web dev right now in the form of VSCode.

Of course, the binary released is proprietary with telemetry, sigh.... But I use VSCodium, compiled from source without telemetry. But still, it's a far cry from Frontpage back in the day.

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@slightlyflightyone i've seen the "check out our new cross-platform PowerShell!" message a few times when i open PowerShell and every time i just think "why would i voluntarily use this on a platform with actually good shell scripting"

like, literally the only reason i use PowerShell on Windows is because the alternative is strange incantations in a long-dead language using incomprehensible runes (cmd.exe batch scripts)

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@kinsey I heard Bash is actually supported on Windows 10 natively now.

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@slightlyflightyone oh yeah, i saw that when i was setting up an SSH server on my desktop, i just never really looked into it

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