@scarlett I don’t shame people for OS preferences. I just wanted to know if this is as FOSS-y as it feels sometimes.

@scarlett Or were you joking about using xorg? 😂

@slightlyflightyone nope, there's no wayland on netbsd (its very non-portable) and i'm not quite hardcore enough to be doing everything in a framebuffer console. yet.

but yes, there are people here that run microsoft windows. there are people here that aren't massively into tech but want a better/safer alternative to twitter. i'm friends with a couple ;3

@scarlett NetBSD? I’m surprised anyone is still using that for a daily driver. It seems like it’s very much dying as a popular OS.

@slightlyflightyone how rude!

@scarlett I didn’t mean to insult your OS of choice. I just never hear of anyone using it.

@slightlyflightyone honestly most usage is indirect. netbsd's code is everywhere but you'd never know it. perfectly usable, though, and there are a handful of us crazy enough to run it on our laptops

https://blog.netbsd.org/tnf/entry/getting_my_new_laptop_to

https://blog.netbsd.org/tnf/entry/pinebook

i'll actually be at a convention with a handful of other netbsd devs in a couple of weeks (the netbsd foundation is paying for my travel expenses too)

@scarlett Oh! I meant as a desktop platform, tbh. I’m aware of how widely used NetBSD code is in other OSes and in some server deployments.

@scarlett Congratulations on earning NetBSD Foundation’s sponsorship for your convention. c:

@slightlyflightyone

a lot of big "desktopy" stuff is there - firefox, gimp, blender, libreoffice, xfce, mate, mpv, vlc, retroarch, kernel mode setting for intel, amd, and nvidia (nouveau), etc. no chromium because google won't accept patches so it has to be done downstream but it's whatever. also no webrtc because no sctp yet (ongoing project) which is a big negative point.

@scarlett I’m more of an i3, KDE, and Cinnamon girl myself. I doubt there is any problem getting at least two of those running?

@slightlyflightyone i3 sure, kde is stuck on kde4. not sure why since we have qt5.

https://twitter.com/YouriMouton/status/999355085531557895

@scarlett @slightlyflightyone
It’s a shame imo because Wayland provides a much cleaner architecture than X11. As I understand it, there’s nothing stopping Wayland (the protocol) from being implemented on *BSD, but the reference implementation of Wayland (Weston) depends on quite a few Linux-specific technologies

@jordyd @slightlyflightyone mostly little things that aren't even necessary to depend on, like epoll, and not the big stuff like drm which isn't a problem.

easy to fix with patches but the developers' attitude is unfortunate.

@scarlett @slightlyflightyone
That’s a shame. I hope they change their minds but I kinda expect they won’t. There seems to be a general attitude growing in the Linux world that *BSD is a second-class citizen

@jordyd @slightlyflightyone there is an attitude among certain devs that work for certain OS and commercial support vendors that BSD anything is a threat to their employer's interests, unfortunately

if you go back to the older generations who work on this stuff, a lot of them were there for the proprietary unix wars in the 90s and see anything non-linux as an oppressive dinosaur or something

@scarlett @slightlyflightyone
I understand that porting stuff can be time-consuming, but not accepting easy patches and not cooperating with the community at large is kinda shameful imo

@pea @slightlyflightyone yeah they're maintaining a mess of patches to make it work in their ports tree. same with chromium.

@pea @slightlyflightyone

https://svnweb.freebsd.org/ports/head/graphics/wayland/files/

i should really try to get it working but it's currently a miracle i manage to get out of bed so maybe later lmao

@scarlett @pea I relate to this. Hmu anytime if you need a hug to get you through the day.

@pea @scarlett You too, critter. 🙂

@skipfordj I run Orbis OS on my gaming machine. 😎

@slightlyflightyone I assume that your gaming machine is a PS4, then? :)

@skipfordj I actually don’t have a gaming machine, but that was my joke, yeah. c: