Every time I read a "Men are trash" post on metafilter I never get the sense that I'm growing in a right direction or learning something new, I just feel like I shouldn't exist

of course I could never say this in the comments. all you can really do that's acceptable is say "yes I'm fucking garbage"

Metafilter posts on this made me really aware of privelage, effects of the patriarchy, and in that way I really grew. but after a point it just felt like people were "woke posting" and piling on white male guilt for internet points and it felt unhealthy and unwelcoming

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@hellojed I'm not a huge fan of the "all men are trash" thing either

Yes, an overwhelming majority of the bullshit we deal with comes from white men being oblivious at best and exploitive at worst

But

Declaring the entire male side of things to be irredeemable is... not how this gets better.

@rey @hellojed The more I think about it, the more I suspect that "all men are trash" takes contributed substantially to how long it took for me to come out to myself. So... Yeah. Agreed on all of your points, both of you. 👍

@LexYeen @rey @hellojed yeah. I mean yeah venting is good but at some point allies are also good. And since I grew up as The Bad Guy ethnicity I seriously dislike being The Bad Guy Gender and especially since I pass as white, Your Ethnicity Owns Everything. I frequently feel like I’m the villain simply by showing up. I can’t imagine *actual* white guys being happier with this stuff.

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