Extremely disappointed in Omar Roth, the creator of Invidious.

Taking a neutral stance against hate speech is choosing a side. What a cop out.


I dig Invidious. I think it's a great solution for people that want to interact with YouTube and not get bombarded with non-sense.

However in this day and age, you have to make a stand against hate speech. You can't just hope it goes away or it deals with itself, b/cit won't. We see what happens when we give it space.

And let's be real. The only time the free speech argument is deployed is when it is in defense of hateful and violent bigots.

This is how hate spreads. When people do nothing.

Software might be neutral, but the people making it are not, so the idea it is possible to remain in the middle is complete bullshit.

As we've seen with mstdn, Purism and even masto main, unless you come down hard and consistently on hate speech, harassment and abuse, it will spread. Period.

Bigots exploit the alleged neutrality of people to spread their hate and violence.

I believe in free speech too. What I don't believe in is endless harassment and abuse.

It's very easy to do both.


@Are0h Ayup. It's “funny” how bigots will tell you with a straight face that their right to freeze peach extends to building an integration into some app so they can vomit their hateful shit to its user.

Regarding the neutrality of software, we probably ought to drop that pretense too: when creating software, we chose what it does, and for whom; those are ethical and political choices, whether or not it's acknowledged.

  • building high-frequency-trading software isn't neutral
  • building alternatives to centralised, capital-owned infrastructure, isn't neutral
  • building social media that doesn't have good ways to deal with bigots and abusers, isn't neutral
  • building social media platforms without caring about how expensive the software is to run, isn't neutral

tried writing something about how software by itself isn't enough either, but isn't awake/alive enough for that right now.

@kellerfuchs @Are0h Social Media is a nightclub - no one should be banned for wearing trainers, but the riffraff, scumbags and lowlives should be kept out, and not given a Blue Tick.

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