is there a reason instances couldn't just have a federation allowlist, but with something akin to follow requests supported as well
y'know, so new instances can ping admins and be like "hey can we federate with you please"
also you could do a web of trust/vouch system pretty easily? if i haven't seen this new instance before, but this other instance i trust has already approved them, then i can probably auto-approve them too. that kind of thing
i mean, if actually handling federation requests manually at the instance level is too much work anyway. which i suspect it isn't, since there aren't that many new instances popping up over time?
@00dani that would be a really dang useful feature
specially since rn i'm having to catch up and request the admin himself to add all the instances my friendos are on :<
@00dani would be neat if maybe glitch-soc could do this. I have seen new sysadmins and old alike asking for it, and not everyone wants to do it the awoo.space way.
@00dani i really oughta try to make the fedi software i keep saying im gonna make, because this exact thing is what i had planned for being the default type of federation
with customizable depth of trust too! (i.e. auto-approve instances who fed with instances on your list, or one step lower, with instances that they federate with or even more.etc)
@00dani first gen monsterpit had something kinda like that where it would silence new instances until folks interacted with them enough
iwrc it was buggy and hard to maintain though, but it's a good idea
@00dani The Matrix folk are doing something vaguely related in the distributed-reputation moderation system they're building for self-service moderation in e2ee rooms? It might be interesting to look into what, exactly, they've actually tried there?
@cadence yes, but as an integrated part of the federation process? so for example you see "pending federation request" in the admin panel, and then it goes to "federating" if they approve, and if the remote instance decides to block you then you can't send any more requests
or maybe you can send requests and they get blackholed, i dunno. one of those
also you can automatically fire off a federation request when someone on one instance tries to interact with someone on a non-federated instance, that kind of thing
@cadence it'd be a special kind of message that's allowed through by default, unlike everything else going through the federation. not too tricky really
@00dani Have you seen https://gitlab.com/spritely/ocappub/blob/master/README.org ? They talk about allowlists there.
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